09-08-2009 Dreamfish Community Call
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09-08-2009 Dreamfish Community Call
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[edit] Welcome to Dreamfish!
Dreamfish is a work cooperative, free of silos, where entrepreneurs everywhere can create, hire, manage and exchange good work. The Dreamfish vision is sustainable work in a thriving world.
[edit] Guidelines
During the first 5-10 minutes while we checkin, we build a short agenda for the call by asking attendees to offer a topic for the group to discuss. Propose any topic for group discussion related to: working, Dreamfish, new ways to work, sustainability, social capital. Once we have a few topics, we discuss each for 10-15 minutes.
- Mute your phone when you are not speaking, to reduce background noise
- Type your name on the right side of etherpad, and choose a color
- Help to take notes. We all can edit at the same time. Add links to resources. We will share them with the larger community.
To tweet: hashtag #dreamfish
[edit] Check in
- Bent: Checking in - just got back from Burning Man this very moment :)
- Scott Moore: looking forward to hearing from your Burning man experiences
- Johannes Klose: Also looking forward to hearing about burning man, especially how people were feeling about the current situation and how it affected their experience.
- Sasha Mrkailo: This time I am only listening :)
- Tiffany von Emmel: came back from burning man. Other Dreamfish friends have been there with me. I was paying attention to: what is life affirming.
(Reference for those new to Burning Man: http://www.burningman.com/whatisburningman/ )
where you think it should be :-)
[edit] Topics
Propose any topic for group discussion related to: working, Dreamfish, new ways to work, sustainability, social capital. Once we have a few topics, we discuss each for 10-15 minutes.
[edit] Etherpad and the Wiki
Etherpad is collaborative note taking. We paste it into the wiki afterwards.
[edit] Burning Man: gift economy
It's not free: people pay for tickets to the event. Prices go up the closer to the date, though there is a black market and asking for donations at the gate. Money also is spent in participating in a camp (materials, food). Though labor is volunteered, particularly in setting up (filling out) the city.
Once the event begins, money is not to change hands and gifts are used. Two exceptions are coffee and ice (centralized). Tiffany was part of a village of 5 camps who were providing services (massage, power, steambaths) and goods (snow-cone - shaved ice).
Another camp had solar power to recharge electronic devices, and at 4pm they made snow cones with their energy. Another examples was a steam bath.
The feel is that whatever is needed is provided. And important part is *giving* away what is needed to others.
- Scott: did you see any negative aspects of this form of economy, people taking advantage, did anybody refuse gifts?
- Bent: when you have people give you all these things, you want to give back. This place taught me a whole new way about giving and recieving. I dont mind giving to people not contributing.
- Tiff: the value comes from the giving, rather from the recieving. Example: I helped to put up tents, wich made me feel more connected to the people around me. How can we enable the experience of the value of giving in the real economy? The value is also in the connecting. Its interesting the whole term "gift economy". There is something about the practise of giving, that is the practise of interacting.
- Scott: I think you are right, the term I use around gifting, is "reciprocity". There is social norms and market norms. I would descrive BM as based on social norm: you are not expecting to recieve something specific from the camp for contribution. It is a form of trust building. Just because you give a person a gift, doesnt mean you are gonna get something back from this person. It is an abstraction.
- Tiff: What is tricky is how you mix money into the norm. This guy gave a discount to some other person, but not to me even though I have no money either. Its the same with dreamfish - how do we take care of everyone? I dont have answers, but just hoping to look and learn.
Tiff: I think it has a lot to do with trust.
- Bent: Commuty as "messy" Burning man is about constantly renegotiating norms. There is no over riding norm. Some constraints (leave no trace, no money), but otherwise much else is open for negotiation between the people who are interacting. It's put intention and creativtiy into the center of the interaction. Rules and such are off to the side.
- Scott: Two other large event occurred at labor day: 1) PAX (penny archade exchange) in seattle. 45-50.000 people. Replacement of XXX. Much more structured. 2) Also a convention. dragoncon in atlanta.
- Tiff: SOCAP
- Scott: Interested in people doing research on BM-economy. There is a side economy the rest of the year. Eg the temple requires money or large donations. Lots of volunteer work goes into it. One man is creating all this. There are all kind of monetary activity going on.
[edit] Checkout
- Sasha: dear dreamfishers, this is a highly interesting call, I promise I will listen to it if I find the archive.
- Bent: Nice to be here, and hear myself find words to express the burningman experience.
- Scott: love hearing different perspectives on experience, especially burningman as broad experience, put context on my own experience out there. might go again. this is great, hope it turns into more discussions around dreamfish and on dreamfish
- Johannes: was surprised about the gift economy. This is an exciting concept, creating a whole environment, beyond what you see on the outside. glad you got to have this experience and share it with us.
- Tiff: grateful to have this experience. I feel more connected and relaxed in my presence and my body. And I relate that to the practice of connecting to people in the gift economy.
[edit] Next Steps
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